Question:
9/11 Question 3: Architects and engineers for 9/11 truth - are these guys credible?
anonymous
2013-03-24 19:14:21 UTC
Some of their claims like at least half of their list of characteristics of a controlled demolition seem obviously wrong.
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PoohBearPenguin
2013-03-24 20:43:40 UTC
Considering that they make up less than 0.50% (half of one percent) of the total number of engineers and architects in the US...I'd say no.



Then there's their claims about 9/11 itself that violate all known laws of physics, chemistry, demolitions, forensics, not to mention common sense.



So you tell me. Would you trust a bunch of engineers who don't even know their basic math or science?
lawes
2016-11-05 16:27:17 UTC
this is nice that they care, yet i do no longer think of something will substitute. this is obvious to absolutely everyone with an open techniques, and a few understand-how of technological expertise, that all and sundry substitute into far from what the expert tale is. It says all of it that no respected scientist will best buddy themselves to the expert tale, in a peer reviewed paper, this is using the fact it can't be finished. on the BBC interior the united kingdom those days there substitute right into a documentary explaining the fall of WTC7. It substitute into laced with downright lies, superb from the beginning up. lots human beings do no longer do lots questioning for themselves, and all the mainstream media is disseminating the great lie, and propaganda. i do no longer think of that is achieveable to have customary, or above intelligence, to artwork out some fundamentals all by ability of your self, and not comprehend the favored Mechanics and different such motives, are straight forward lies written for straight forward trusting human beings. we will see, yet i think it won't come to easy, too many useful human beings could have too lots to lose.
Mark F
2013-03-24 19:39:46 UTC
Richard (Tricky Dick) Gage is the president and founder of the group Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth (ae.911truth.org ) which advocates among other things that World Trade Center 1, 2 & 7 were not destroyed by a natural collapse due to aircraft impacts and raging fires but rather by controlled demolition - ie: the event was staged by someone "on the inside". In 2006 Gage quit his day job as a working architect and took up his favorite hobby full time, travelling the world spreading his message, collecting donations and signatures worldwide for his Petition calling for a new official investigation into 9/11. Signers must be either current or retired architects or engineers although his definition of these terms is very broad. While there are tens of millions of architects and engineers around the world, 7 years later the petition is currently up to only 1,813 names - a pathetic turnout by any measure - with just 1 to 3 new names added every month. Here is what the petition says:



On Behalf of the People of the United States of America, the undersigned Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth and affiliates hereby petition for, and demand, a truly independent investigation with subpoena power in order to uncover the full truth surrounding the events of 9/11/01 – specifically the collapse of the World Trade Center Towers and Building 7. We believe there is sufficient doubt about the official story to justify re-opening the 9/11 investigation. The new investigation must include a full inquiry into the possible use of explosives that might have been the actual cause of the destruction of the World Trade Center Twin Towers and Building 7.



The so-called "petition" is written so it is easy to agree with and it carries no obligation to "do" anything. This is good because none of the signers have done anything. They don't publish articles in peer reviewed journals, they don't speak at engineering conferences - nothing. Nada. Zip. Zero.



This petition was started before the release of NCSTAR 1-9 that includes an investigation into "Hypothetical Blast Scenarios".(Appendix D), therefore his request has been fulfilled, yet he keeps plugging away at it, begging for new donations and selling DVD's and "Activist Packs" while he ignores the findings of NCSTAR 1-9 and fails to tell his audience it even exists. This is at the least dishonest.



What is perhaps worse, Gage doesn't even use the alleged expertise of his collected experts in his "research". The latest example is this article at ae911truth.org: FAQ #11: Does the NIST WTC 7 computer animation of the collapse prove that the skyscraper came down by fire? This discusses NIST's simulations - FEA and all. You'd need expertise with FEA as a structural engineer to expertly opine on that issue. But the authors have none: Chris Sarns is a carpenter who does fire simulations with MS Paint. Gregg Roberts is a business analyst, and Richard Gage is a run-of-the-mill-architect-turned-marketing-ace. In similar vein, David Chandler, physics teacher in high school, is presented as an expert because he is a physics teacher. But he isn't an engineer, his expertise is with simplified scenarios suitable for basic understanding in high school. No wonder the conclusions they reach are so laughably wrong. A real investigator would not try to determine things that are outside of their area of expertise. They would bring in experts who understood those things. That is the difference between Gage and say Popular Mechanics. He does it wrong, they did it right but a layperson, seeing Gage's site for the first time doesn't know this.



AE911truth is not a research organization. It is a money-making propaganda machine. None of the experts that Gage presents offers original research or original conclusions and Gage had his mind fully made up long before the first architects or engineers showed up. His "experts" follow him, not vice versa. The "experts" are selected by conclusion, not by how they applied their expertise to the problem at hand.



Every profession has its share of quacks, charlatans, and crackpots, despite the best efforts of universities, licensing authorities, and professional societies to weed them out. That's just a fact of life. Gage has collected a bunch of them. Crackpots attract other crackpots and eventually you have a cult following - which is exactly what Gage has.



Sorry to be so blunt but I really have no respect at all for what Gage does or how he does it.
Dirk
2013-03-24 19:23:46 UTC
Ok geeze here we go again. It happened. There is no secret story behind it. Crazy nuts from the middle east want to kill Americans and are so into doing it that they take thier own lives too. They got away with it on 9/11.
anonymous
2013-03-25 06:24:57 UTC
Spend a short while looking at the biographies and other information and you will see they have the credibility of a chocolate tea pot. Gets worse when you try to work through the claim.
Butch S
2013-03-24 22:23:15 UTC
Stay off those goofy conspiracy sites. They'll rot your brain. There IS no conspiracy about the events of 9-11, and it is long past time for people to quit asking about them.



No, the nut jobs you asked about are not credible, and their dumba$$ theories have been thoroughly debunked numerous times.
Harley Drive
2013-03-25 00:36:09 UTC
you don't have to look further than the substandard steel , the weak rivets , the poor quality union labor and the rush to build for reasons why they collapsed so quickly
joe
2013-03-24 20:28:11 UTC
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