Why is this not better known to the MMR believers?

Question

I was always suspicious of the Government's blind refusal to make available the single injections, having seen myself the rise in Autism. Despite the papers saying that Wakefield's research has been discredited and any number of people parroting the same, the truth is the government has failed to check the data. Wakefield's report was never proved but it was not disproved either. I would be interested to know if anyone has dared to use the Welsh epidemic to check the rates of
autism among the children whose parents did not allow them the MMR.


MMR vaccine isn't safe after all, UK government forced to concede

01 September 2010
After years of reassuring parents about the safety of the MMR (measles, mumps, rubella) vaccine, the UK government has finally had to concede that it can have serious side effects. A UK court has ruled that the vaccine caused severe brain damage in a boy, now aged 18, and has ordered the government to pay compensation. The ruling brings to an end a lengthy campaign by the boy’s mother, Jackie Fletcher, who created the pressure group JABS to help other parents win compensation for their vaccine-damaged children. Jackie’s son, Robert, was just 13 months old when he had the MMR vaccination. From being a healthy baby who was developing normally, he started to suffer epileptic fits and became unresponsive. He is now severely disabled. Jackie and her family have been awarded £91,000 in compensation. The judgement also sends out hope to the thousands of parents in the UK who are also fighting for compensation. (Source: Sunday Times, August 29, 2010).

Answer 1

I don't "believe". I accept the evidence.



I don't think you understand how science works.



"Wakefield's report was never proved but it was not disproved either"



You can't prove a negative in science. You can't prove that vaccination doesn't cause autism, but you CAN disprove that vaccinations cause autism and this has been done: Numerous epidemiological studies show no link and Wakefields' results were never observed in larger studies. Science works by replication of results, that his results weren't replicated means he was wrong.



Numerous studies support the safety of the MMR. The single vaccines are inferior and have gone through less scrutiny. The single vaccines also delay protection.



Vaccines carry a nonzero risk; but the benefits by far outweigh the rare risks. Injuries can, and do happen. Fortunately serious injuries are very rare. It's also worth mentioning that the burden of proof in vaccine courts is very low. All you have to do is show a plausible connection. Correlation isn't causation.



That does not mean that doctors don't accept that vaccines can cause injury. But it's something to bear in mind.



What you have to understand is that barring allergic reactions, any side effect caused by the vaccine can be caused by, and is far more likely to be caused by the disease it prevents. Take Hannah Polling. She'd be just as injured now if she didn't have those vaccines. The wild infection would have likely triggered the same response.



You have no evidence the MMR is unsafe.



Edit: No, I read the question the first time around. My answer still stands. Wakefields results have never been replicated.



Comparing the MMR to Thalidomide is of course fallacious. And BSE was, for the most part, a British issue. And the assurances of safety came from our Government. Independent scientists did not have access to the data held and neither was it published in scientific journals. The studies supporting the use of the MMR have been conducted in numerous countries and independent scientists all over the worked have access to it.



I am not saying you shouldn't question what you are told. But those questions have been asked and answered with studies, ad nauseam. Just because you aren't aware of the studies, or continue to deny them because they don't match your "beliefs" does not mean they don't exist. You are entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts.



Continuing to to question it's safety despite the evidence is a form of denialism.



Edit: @ Jose. Methyl mercury isn't in vaccines, it's ethyl mercury, which is entirely different. It does not bio- accumulate the way methyl mercury does and it does not rapidly cross the blood brain barrier.



It gets much worse for you though; thimerosal was never at any point in the MMR!



And yes, thimerosal, the mercury containing organic compound, has been removed from most vaccines. Autism rates continue to climb unabated.



Antivaxxers lie. A lot.



Edit: So now the anti-vaxxers are denying the measles outbreak? Cases in England are lab confirmed. *Some* cases in Wales are thought to be misdiagnosed this is because due to the number of suspected cases, it's doctor notification only. However, there is still an outbreak. Utterly despicable.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-22277186

http://www.wales.nhs.uk/sitesplus/888/page/66389



Edit: "I have seen myself professionally that there has been a rise in autism since the introduction of the MMR."



Most of this increase can be attributed to broadening of the definition and general medical awareness. And this rise didn't occur with the introduction of the MMR. It started around 1978; the MMR wasn't introduced until 1988, there is no statistical link and much less a biological one.

Answer 2

The ruling wording has more than you put in. It would also appear that it does not say the MMR directly causes this and this is an isolated case? I suppose the millions of people that have the jab every year are ignored here?



Ask the people in Swansea what they think, all the one with life threatening measles that could have been avoided with the MMR. How about you do the research in Swansea.



Edit. Maybe a later edition you will see the link to autism is pulled.



Every pill and potion you put in your body can have a side effect. The MMR jab is no different. What the effects are and in how many people varies. The risk here is far greater of getting a serious life threatening disease by NOT having the jab.



With regards the jibe. Make it clear that you cannot do it yourself rather than insinuate it is not being done for a reason.

Answer 3

"Mercury has been used in vaccines to preserve or weaken the vaccines viability. Methyl mercury is one of the deadliest neurotoxins known. It may well be the cause of this 'unexplained' rise in autism and emotional disconnects of the children. It is claimed that the amount of mercury has been markedly cut back in vaccines in recent years. But?"



Complete and utter bollocks. Mercury and methyl mercury have never been used in this application.

Answer 4

Fact :- Courts in several countries including the USA have ruled in specific cases that autism was vaccine induced. And in these cases the judges were not misled etc etc but rather because the government experts defending conceded that this was so.

Yep mmr was so safe that the first 2 brands were withdrawn quickly because they were causing many children to catch meningitis



EDIT there is no measles outbreak in Wales, most cases were incorrectly diagnosed as lab tests now confirm. It was a different virus.



EDIT notice how Rhianna doesn't deny the first 2 strains of mmr caused meningitis, which is a medical fact and why they were withdrawn.

Answer 5

Mercury has been used in vaccines to preserve or weaken the vaccines viability. Methyl mercury is one of the deadliest neurotoxins known. It may well be the cause of this 'unexplained' rise in autism and emotional disconnects of the children. It is claimed that the amount of mercury has been markedly cut back in vaccines in recent years. But?

Answer 6

Read and reread Rhianna's answer and edits.



Then read them yet again.



Then read this:



http://darryl-cunningham.blogspot.co.uk/2010/05/facts-in-case-of-dr-andrew-wakefield.html



What my friend JLI would (rightly) call 'impossible to misunderstand'